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  Jehovah's Witness disfellowshipped for questions, joins Catholic Church to "feel Love"

  by Balaamsass2 in

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  harber become a fan.

  yogi, contemplative, writer.

  producer of radio program radical spirituality and sacred activism.

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  Alter of idols? Good grief watcher. You continue to baffle.

  I doubt very much she prays to those carvings and other things. Probably just reminders for her spiritually speaking.

  But it most certainly better than being part of a legalistic, Pharisaical religion, that unscripturally excommunicates for differences of thought regarding ambiguous matters. How you can continue to defend this organization as it continues to try to shroud its history (whats that about a light under a basket?), is clearly responsible for death in the case of an erroneous blood doctrine and changes made throughout, and of course the shunning......the most "Christ-like" of all of their culturally governing principles,

  is beyond me.

  You never discuss any points of view with anyone, you just throw out a sentence or two, refuse to discuss any particular scriptural point, and leave.

  I think that is very unfortunate. I propose we discuss the validity of the blood doctrine. For several reasons with the most important of which being establising bloodguilt. Also see: "communal bloodguilt" in the Insight book. If you study the literature that is.

  I'll be waiting.

  Take care.
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  Blown away-- where to go from here

  by All for show in

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  i stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.

  the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.

  it's global.

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  problemaddict 2

  Hey AFS,

  Wow. It never ceases to amaze me as new people are on here all the time, how many things there are in common. So here are a few of my musings. I too have young children (not 5). :)

  So just afew off the cuff thoughts. the more you learn, the more you will want to tell others. Hold off on that. The desire will subside with time.

  Focus instead on your husband and children. Even with a thin thread tot he hall, you never know who may just dive in with eyes wide shut, and start shunning you a decade or two from now. the teachings are not harmless. Think of just two, blood, and shunning. How much harm is done there? You are allowing yourself to research, just look here. thousands of people with broken families. Make yours the priority. Everything else should come from that.

  Next, right now you are a bit miffed because of primarily social issues. People being jealous, gossiping, etc... But those are local issues. Just move to Orange County, CA or west side of LA, and those issues go away. The REAL issues are the culture and doctrinal structure of a fundamentalist end time religion. It doesn't have to break your belief in God, but for me it certainly has. I no longer can accept things such as the flood myth, and I make no excuses for Gods supposed behavior in the OT that is far worse than any murderer i have ever heard of.

  Still......I'm not sure where that takes me.

  And that brings me to that last point. Don't feel like you have to do.......anything. You don't have to jump into some other belief system. You don't have to accept some other faith, or ditch the concept of a creator, or even feel like you must still believe in one. Allow yourself access to all information, and research. It sounds like you are doing that already.

  Ride the roller coaster, and check in. We understand, and it helps to talk to peopl who understand. Welcome to the board.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  The flood......how did I ever believe in this?

  God decides he is really upset with his decision to create man. Of course, sin is the culprit. So he allows some good guys (still sinful and therefore will pass on sin), to hit the reset button on all life on earth.

  Of course it only makes sense to drown everyone slowly and methodically including the babies, and animals of the world.

  Once everyone is dead, just speed up some micro evolution, and hide all traces of this event (I mean you are going to leave the dinosaurs, but not the flood evidence).

  Of course man is just going to be jacked up again because they are still with sin.....but after the whole flood he feels bad and says yeah that was a bit rough.....I'll just make rainbows to show I won't do that again. I mean.....I'm going to kill everyone again in the future, just not with a flood. And this time when i kill them, they will grow to perfection, so i don't have to kill everyone again. And jsut in case some people want to rebel, i will have a stop gap killing at about the thousand year mark.

  It all makes perfect sense!
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  School for Congregation Elders

  by C.O.B.E.Beef in

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  i attended the school late last year, and it was an emotional and mental rollercoaster for me.

  i was already divided in my heart to say the least.

  one of the instructors stayed in my home for the week, and my family genuinely enjoyed his company.

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  pAradise beauty,

  Welcome and it is nice to meet you. Many Jehovahs Witnesses feel the same as you do. Of course, there are a few things to consider.

  1) How old is too old to consider relevant? In other words, what is the expiration of food at the proper time? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? Do any of those time periods matter to Jehovah? If they are not relevant to you, but to someone else they were, would you feel their feelings are justified?

  2) COBE's experience is his. But it is related to many others here who have served or are serving. See that meeting with hundreds of elders, creates the culture that then stretches across multiple congregations and circuits. If someone "goes rougue", they certainly were not put in their place.

  3) The "feeling" of the publications is highly subjective. For example, i would suggest that the publications have become much more duplicitous. Giving the impression of personal responsability, while simultaneously making your salvation dependant on association with a particular group of people whos doctrine is subject to change at any time.

  4) I respecfully disagree with your idea that freedom is not denied by the self appointed slave class my friend. If I celebrate my sons birthday and do so with a clean conscience, I am disfellowshipped. If I take a forbidden blood product and do not repent despite the fact i have studied it at length and my conscience allows it, I would be shunned. There is no freedom in the congregation. Most born in it (such as myself), don't even know what freedom is.

  May I ask in the spirit of kindness and sincerity, what brings you to our site? I am not disfellowshipped. Just a person concerned with how things are going, that allowed myself the time to research outside of what i always held to be true without question. "Men" did not stumble me....reality did. :)
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  Hospital Liaison Committees, Letter 12/10/13: Spanish Consensus Statement on alternatives to allogeneic blood transfusion: the 2013 update of the "Seville Document"

  by hildebrando in

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  2. medical

  concealment of information and biases.

  "spanish consensus statement on alternatives to allogeneic blood transfusion: the 2013 update of the "seville document"" in english:.

  http://hildeydesa.blogspot.com/2014/09/carta-101213-documento-sevilla-spanish.html.

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  Can anyone give me the english redux? :)
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  Chile and the flag: It's true!! Undeniable evidence!!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  joe, sorry, you'll have to eat some humble pie.. .

  thank you so much for the poster on extj.com who sent these pics!!

  can't have been better!!.

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  So is this something the Clilean government is requiring of religious groups there?

  Sorry is this is old news. I haven't been on in a while.
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  Will WT start having JW kids do school in kingdomhalls?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the articles about trying to keep kids in and not learn ttatt, etc, i can see one day they will use the kh's for class during the day and any parents who volunteer to teach, can count that as time.

  lol .

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  There have been JW only schools in the past......but they always somehow were a complte failure. Everyone screwing and not able to pass basic state mandated tests.
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  What is the wackiest or strangest teaching that Witnesses adhere to?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i guess there are many, but what would be the strangest teaching, or "wackiest" ?.

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  Oh I don't know let me think...

  How about that a set of rotating 7-9 body of men in their 60's plus have the exclusive rights to interpretation of scripture which you must adhere to for the sake of unity and your own salvation, while also reserving the right to be completely wrong about any particular interpretation at any time under the guise of being humbly corrected by the holy spirit.....all the while threatening shunning for those percieved as being against the congregation.

  Just off the top of my head.
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  Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

  by Enzo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

  recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

  but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

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  problemaddict 2

  Wow. That was a somewhat bizarre read. Perhaps a redux is in order for Enzo?

  Enzo, it seems clear Steve hassan is recognized as an expert in his field for a variety of reasons, and by his peers. Due to being active int he field for an extended period, he experimented with forcible deprogramming in the 70's which he has since abandon completely and corrected on.

  He through his own experience and expertise has developed the B.I.T.E model of identifying cultlike behavior and addressing it. It is ONE OF SEVERAL protocols that exist within the community.

  MOST IMPORTANTLY.

  For the purposes of this board, it matters not to those here wether JW's are labled a cult, a high control group, and end times religion, a fundamentalist faith with paranois about society, or the country bear jamboree. The frustration, pain, and even death as a result of its policies is clear enough.

  Your overall point is still a bit lost on most readers here I think. You presupposed that the BITE model is somehow the preferred method by some sort of EX-JW community. Is that right?
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  Paranoia and healing

  by problemaddict 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i got a new computer, which means allof my saved passwords are gone.

  so i use the standard e mails and all that, but cannot seem to find the one i used for this one.. i lurked here a long time ago.

  i recall being so paranoid about it that i created a fake e mail and fake name to go with it.

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  problemaddict 2

  So I got a new computer, which means allof my saved passwords are gone. So I use the standard e mails and all that, but cannot seem to find the one I used for this one.

  I lurked here a long time ago. I recall being so paranoid about it that I created a fake e mail and fake name to go with it. It really was paranoia. I mean......who does that to just lurk on a web page on the internets?

  Now the good part, is a year or more into this, I don't even recall what this alias was. I had to start a completely new profile because it was impossible for me to remember the old one.

  It shows how foreign the old fear can be with just a little time, and the realization these people have no real power over you.